I met Karen and Steve in 2016 @ Karma Ling Retreat Center in Delhi, NY where a number of us, students of VCTR gathered to receive the Chakrasamvara abhisheika, at that time we had also had a group audience with Khenpo Karthar, auspiciously Tai Situ Rinpoche also came to give a blessing to those entering the 3 yr Retreat and those of us receiving the Cs empowerment . It was certainly a Kagyu download. I felt very close to them, both very kind , generous and certainly devoted to our lineage. They both were so gracious to invite me, if ever in Halifax I would be welcome to stay with them. I was happy to see they moved west, but when Steve posted something regarding Karen's diagnosis, my heart sank. I was glad to hear her transition was gentle and with family. Love to Steve and family.